QUOTE (SandyMcKean @ Jul 25 2008, 02:47 PM)

QUOTE (papeetepatrick @ Jul 25 2008, 11:03 AM)

........but don't quite see her as especially self-destructive.
And neither do I. I chose the words "
maybe a bit of self-destruction" very carefully. As I heard Allegra say in the subject Rose interview, Allegra seemed to say (in a quite Blanche like fashion) that her acquiescence to her mother's wishes to marry, and then her own insistence on having children while in the peak of her career, had a certain self-destructive quality. She said that one of the things she will always be grateful to Mr B for is allowing her to "come back" and dance after clearly disobeying his desire for her to devote herself more completely to her dance. It's not hard to imagine Blanche doing something similiar in the world of all powerful men they both inhabit.
See what you mean, but it was only 'self-destructive' in terms of not adhering to Balanchine's wishes for further development of her career. The test is really how does the result look? Does she love the children that she may have had partially to thwart Balanchine? She is impressive because she will not 'mind Balanchine', for whatever reasons (she minded him enough, God knows), but she loves him and is grateful to him for allowing her to become both a great dancer and not condemn her rebelliousness. Also, even if that intense (I agree with that word for it) coaching that she does was made especially for the film, it's unlikely that it would be that different from what she actually does in her coaching. Impossible, actually. In any case, you can say both have 'artistry', but Blanche is not an
artist in the literal sense as is Allegra; in fact, her profession usually does not suffer the income tax. The fact is, whether or not she's conscious of how she managed to make such a lot go such a long way, she actually made choices that gave her a real life that is not essentially tragic, however much suffering she's had in it (Blanche is tragic, and a victim to pre-sub-prime mortgages or whatever; of course, it's possible Allegra is too, but I'm not up on her now that she's about 70. Maybe somebody will tell us the news.) Which doesn't mean I don't see a lot of resemblances to Blanche in terms of taste and imagination, but we're all self-destructive to a certain degree when we have to choose what big decisions we have to make in order to make our lives, if only because we subtract one or more things every time we add one or more things. She might sometimes be wistful, I don't know, about maybe having followed Balanchine's edicts more literally, but that is the kind of regret we all have. There are some who would have thought she shouldn't have had the babies and obeyed Balanchine, but it was her business and 'motherhood as something she could have complete control over' sounds a little cynical, but it could also mean she was an especially good mother. We need more recent reports, again.
Anyway, we all perceive people differently, and this thread has been quite a revelation along those lines. Baryshnikov may have said 'she's too crazy', but that could easily be said about him, according to where you were positioned in relation to him. Nureyev could be said to be crazy, Farrell could be said to be crazy, Balanchine could be said to be crazy (quiggin recently quoted someone as saying it) , and Kent seems to be a bit zany and very effervescent. Of course, that may be neither here nor there.